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Post by RhythmTip on Jul 12, 2004 9:34:34 GMT -5
tell us your favorite CD or DVD
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Post by pastorjacob on Jul 12, 2004 15:57:06 GMT -5
there are many so i will give you my top ten: 1. Secrets - Allan Holdsworth 2. Serious Young Insects - On the Virg 3. Blazen Swords - Randy Jenkins 4. Light in Darkness - Sidney Ojofetimi 5. Chick Corea & the Elektric Band 6. Another Level - Israel and new Breed 7. Ten Summoner's Tales - Sting 8. Live & Very Unplugged - Dave Weckl 9. Moon Babies - Planet X 10. Chick Corea & the Akoustic Band - Live at the Blue Note in Tokyo
these ten albums are required listening to the serious musician. some of them are hard to find but if you are serious about becoming great, then you will find these records. sonofisaac@hotmail.com
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Post by glenn on Jul 22, 2004 20:15:41 GMT -5
kim burrell- everlasting life kim burrell-live in concert john p. kee-not guilty
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Post by pastorjacob on Jul 27, 2004 8:15:18 GMT -5
you are nuts. these albums are good, but they can hardly be defined as "must have".
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Post by melly on Jul 27, 2004 23:03:02 GMT -5
Kim Burrell- Everlasting Life is HOT but the live project, not so good. Jemane Nelson was everywhere, Took away the joy! Check out Doobie Powell's Off Spring Youthful Praise New Release
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Post by pastorjacob on Jul 28, 2004 7:18:04 GMT -5
i have heard doobie powells project and youthful praise's project. neither is really worth listening to. all i hear is some more 4/4 boring church music. and the production of the projects is not very good either. i think you should look at my list again.
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Post by melly on Jul 29, 2004 4:40:22 GMT -5
I think it is a matter of taste. Some of the c.d.s u picked are ok. I see old school and praise and worship. What do you mean boring church music? What you put in to something is what you get out. Listen to the words. Chick Corea is hot but saying nothing. A whole lot of riffs and turns but saying what?
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Post by pastorjacob on Jul 29, 2004 9:02:21 GMT -5
actually i do not have much old school & praise and worship. and i can explain what i mean by boring. every genre of music has gone through major evolutions within the music. all except gospel. contemporary christian is something else, but gospel music has made virtually no significant leaps forward, with the exception of Gerald and Butch Heyward and Asaph Ward. the music and the presentation of gospel music is very boring. for instance when was the last time you heard a gospel song in 5/4 over modal changes? this is my problem. chick corea puts everything he believes, both spiritually and musically into his records. with the exception of extremely rare gospel artists, you just don't honestly see the spirit of honesty and excellence in gospel music. if there was an overwhelming interest in excellece for gospel artists, you would see more secular artists being drawn to the music. but gospel artists make albums good enough to sell to church people, because we have learned not to expect much in gospel music. and not only that, but it is error to assume that just because in album has no christian lyrics, it is not a gospel album. i am a christian. just because my music has no words, does that mean that it is not sanctified? even though chick corea is not a chrisitian, his music truly says SOMETHING, even in the absence of lyrics.
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Post by melly on Jul 30, 2004 12:19:19 GMT -5
I agree Gerald, Butch and Alex have saved what could have been just a memory. But realisticly would a gospel song sound good in 5/4 along with strongly conveying the message? I think that's gospel music's problem, We are trying to infultrate gospel music with other styles and most of it sounds fake. If you like Corea's music, keep buying it but dont bash gospel music because none of it has a Chick Corea influence. If gospel artist dont make any songs good enough for church people than who will? What then do we listen to? Every style of music has it's respectful place but it's when we start tampering and mixing and matching and expirmenting we start dressing stuff up so much it loses its identity then appears fake. Example (My own opinion) Tonex can just flat out sing, I mean spit fire! Did he really have to take his project that far out on the edge to get his point across that his natural born singing couldn't have done? Music is music when you add the gospel it's gospel music. Can music without words b gospel? Good question? Is a half glass of water half empty or half full? It's all in how YOU look @ it! Well keep listening to Corea if that's what you like but if you come to gospel wanting to hear that influence you might be forever disappointed. Gospel music does have some good stuff you just may have to spend a little time searching for it . Good Day!
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Post by pastorjacob on Aug 2, 2004 8:24:49 GMT -5
of course you can convey a strong message in 5/4. if you don't believe me then ask Kayla Parker. ask Sting who wrote a song in 5/4 while strongly conveying his message. of course it's possible. and what you said is gross error. gospel music is not for the church. gospel music is for those who don't believe. christians listen to gospel music in order to be edified but the true purpose is to convince the world of who Jesus. and music can be gospel without words. the purpose of music is to soothe the soul. plain and simple. david played for saul without singing any words, and yes the music did the trick. a musician played and elisha was able to prophesy. there is not much music in the new testament but i think you can see the point. as long as the musicians are sanctified, then the music will be sanctified. if the music is sanctified, then God can use his sovreign wisdom to do His will. so wordless music can be used to great effect.
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Post by melly on Aug 3, 2004 5:20:52 GMT -5
I Don't think you read my reply's carfully! You answer my questions or my comments in a totally different manner in which they are presented.1. I asked you would a gospel song sound good in 5/4? I didn't say it couldn't b done.2.I didn't say Gospel music was just for church people, I said if Gospel artist did't make gospel for church people than what do WE listen to? I didn't say it was Only for the church. Then on top of that in two sentences you said it wasn't for church people then said it was for the church peoples edification. Which is it? But I totally agree with the edification. I agree with the music without words comeing from someone who is sanctified. I play for Ben Tankard and I've eye witnessed God moving through his music, although we do use background singers sometimes. But it's his anointed playing that destroys yokes! Good answer. I've often wanted to know other peoples view on music without words! Make sure you read my replys within how you ask the question, the way you reply to my reply is almost like you forgot what and how you asked!
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Post by pastorjacob on Aug 3, 2004 7:57:19 GMT -5
like i said ask Kayla Parker or Sting. you can make a song sound great in odd time. people in eastern hemisphere do it all of the time. not only that it is easier to play more modal changes, which also happen to be great. and i said edification is the reason church people listen to gospel, but that is not the ultimate purpose. not only that i say if we cant find music that meets a standard deserving of a royal priesthood, then we should just listen to the hymns and the anthems of the church. spiritually, musically, and lyrically the hymns are virtually flawless. and they simply do what most songs cant. if gospel music cannot meet that standard, that is my remedy, in my opinion. by the way what instrument do you play? do you still play with ben tankard and what is your name? oh and what part of the country are you in?
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Post by melly on Aug 3, 2004 17:51:36 GMT -5
I'm a Bass player but I grew up on drums. I play bass for Ben and as a matter of fact, I'm playing with him this Friday for his Debute of his new release "Piano Prophet" My name is Jay live in the South! i can explain more in a more disclosed occasion.
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Post by pastorjacob on Aug 4, 2004 7:57:59 GMT -5
well i am kyle and i play drums sonofisaac@hotmail.com
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